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Thread: Help me understand... E(x)

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    Help me understand... E(x)

    Here is a problem...
    f(x)=2/(x^3), x>1, max 10. E(Y)=?

    Y=X, X<10
    Y=10, X>10
    or Y=min(X, 10)

    I know you can solve it this way:
    E(Y) = Int(1 to 10) xf(x) dx + 10 Int(10 to inf) f(x) dx = 1.9

    I tried to solve using survival function
    E(Y)=E(min (X, 10))=Int (1 to 10) S(x) dx = .9
    Don't get why I get .9 and not 1.9 as it should be.

    Thanks!

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    The def of survival is int (0~inf) Pr X>x. I believe that since you are starting your integral at 1 and not 0, you have to add 1.

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    another question related to discrete probability:
    compute the expected value of the random number of coin tosses until a run of k successive heads occurs when the tosses are independent and each lands on heads with a probability of 1/2
    answer given is [2^(k+1)]-2...

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    those questions trip me up everytime!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingvar View Post
    Here is a problem...
    f(x)=2/(x^3), x>1, max 10. E(Y)=?

    Y=X, X<10
    Y=10, X>10
    or Y=min(X, 10)

    I know you can solve it this way:
    E(Y) = Int(1 to 10) xf(x) dx + 10 Int(10 to inf) f(x) dx = 1.9

    I tried to solve using survival function
    E(Y)=E(min (X, 10))=Int (1 to 10) S(x) dx = .9
    Don't get why I get .9 and not 1.9 as it should be.

    Thanks!
    The formula works like this: if X is defined on [a,b] with a>=0 , then

    E(X) = a + int[a to b] of Sx(x) dx

    So getting back to the problem we have

    Y = X on the interval (1,10)

    so E(Y) = 1 + int[1 to 10] of Sx(x) dx = 1 + .9 = 1.9

    I didn't look at your calculation of the integral above; I'm just showing you how to find the missing value of 1.

    X can be defined on open interval (a,b). It doesn't matter, as long as the endpoint 'a' is not a negative number, the formula will work.
    Last edited by jthias; August 21st 2007 at 11:34 PM. Reason: key part to determining limits of integral and missing value of 1 highlighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthias View Post
    The formula works like this: if X is defined on [a,b] with a>=0 , then

    E(X) = a + int[a to b] of Sx(x) dx

    So getting back to the problem we have

    Y = X on the interval (1,10)

    so E(Y) = 1 + int[1 to 10] of Sx(x) dx = 1 + .9 = 1.9

    I didn't look at your calculation of the integral above; I'm just showing you how to find the missing value of 1.

    X can be defined on open interval (a,b). It doesn't matter, as long as the endpoint 'a' is not a negative number, the formula will work.
    If I understand correctly if X is between a and b:
    E(min (X, a)) = a + int[a to b] of Sx(x) dx

    what about E(max (X, a)) =

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anu Dhanuka View Post
    another question related to discrete probability:
    compute the expected value of the random number of coin tosses until a run of k successive heads occurs when the tosses are independent and each lands on heads with a probability of 1/2
    answer given is [2^(k+1)]-2...
    Hey guys any answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingvar View Post
    If I understand correctly if X is between a and b:
    E(min (X, a)) = a + int[a to b] of Sx(x) dx

    what about E(max (X, a)) =
    if X = max{T,c} for some value c in (0,infinity),
    then E(X) = c + int[c to infinity] of St(t) dt and
    If Y = min{T,c} ,then E(Y) = int[0 to c] of St(t) dt

    is it right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anu Dhanuka View Post
    if X = max{T,c} for some value c in (0,infinity),
    then E(X) = c + int[c to infinity] of St(t) dt and
    If Y = min{T,c} ,then E(Y) = int[0 to c] of St(t) dt

    is it right?
    You have said it rightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohpmalvin View Post
    You have said it rightly.
    No, it's not right, see my problem above

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